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This is POV propaganda of a certain group of people. There is no consensus on this issue among the historians. A deeper digging of the issue shows that renowned historians have expressed the view that only a small part of this text could have been written by Sikh Guru Gobind Singh. Furthermore, this text has no coherent content and is circulating in various different forms currently. Its wikipedia policy that "extra-ordinary" claims need extra-ordinary evidences to support them on wikipedia.

That aside, this claim does not even has any verifiability. The Shiromani Gurudwara Prabandhak Committee had issued "hukamnama" specifically stating that this text is not to be considered "holy" or "sacred" or placed at par with Guru Granth Sahib , therefore, its wrong to call it holy or sacred.

The importance of the text is just for the sake of history and research at the present. Please do not make wikipedia a victim of your blind and baseless beliefs and do not try to generalize your POV as the belief of the entire Sikh population. If you disagree, feel free to discuss your points here.

The subject of Dasam Granth has become a victim of this too. Bad assumption on your part. Could you know prove what was said by whom based on "hearsay"?. Please do some digging on the subject. Apart from Daljit Singh who was not even a Sikh historian but a physician by profession all Sikh historians support the letter. As an expert on the ancient Gurmukhi scripts he argued that: 1. Unlike the practice of writing sentences with no spaces between words the said letter had words separated as done at present.

The writing had been done using a metallic nib that had been invented only during the first decade of the nineteenth century nealy a hundred years after the period claimed for the letter writing. Incidentally, metallic nib had been invented in Birmingham in England around The shapes of Gurmukhi characters in the purported letter are closer to their modern shape than to that prevalent in early eithgteenth century.

In fact SGPC has no right to issue hukamnamas. However in Akal Takhat had passed an edict declaring those speaking against Dasam Granth as mischievous miscreants. Could also start listing other scholars and their arguments? Also, help us understand where Dr. Even if they did, it cannot be put as "universal truth" on Wikipedia. All those questioned raised by other scholars will also make the was to wikipedia in the similar fashion. You claimed that other such "scholars" exist.

So you should list them and also quote their works. There is no single Sikh historian who denigrates Dasam Granth. If you disagree then come up with evidence instead of giving mere statements.

Gurmatscholar talk , 27 September UTC Interestingly there was no debate on the authorship before s. Incorrect, please get your facts right on this. The questions on this issue have started to appear right from the time when this text appeared on the scene. If you disagree then provide evidence for your claim. Gurmatscholar talk , 27 September UTC Hence the onus is on those detractors, who are carried by baseless propaganda, to come up with references for their preposterous claims.

Burden of Evidence is on the one who is challenging the material with counter claims. In this case its you. You are continuously failing to provide references to your claims.

Gurmatscholar talk , 27 September UTC All the above sites that you mention are either propagandist esp. None of those have research or scholarly work. If you have any problems with a specific material then please provide your evidences. The quote is from page 50 of the original text. For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.

For legal reasons , we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases.

Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. These writings are also recited during Sikh baptism. Problems: Who is Virsa Singh?

Why do we care what he does? How was this decided? What "other scholarly work"? Who decided the "scholarly" quality? Later part is redundant; already being mentioned in the first section. There are no citations?


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